But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. Andrew came to St. John's. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. I had a husband I loved. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. The two eventually lived together again. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. granddad? Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Oh, my. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. They were living like students, says the Rev. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. I tended to break down in rage.. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. My gut just churned. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. I only live a block away.' She. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. I can understand that. I may be in Fantasyland. He was developing a personality. I am, just under the surface, perpetually angry. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. The title of the documentary, "Dear Zachary" jumped out at me because I have a son named Zachary. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Was it true? And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. will not hurt Zachary, period. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' And that little boy. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. But with special people, yes. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. The worst part for me was that Shirley cheated everyone out of seeing justice done. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. Telegram file photo. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. he was fussy at all. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. But that is what the Bagbys. Please try again. 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MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. He was to us, like our gift from God. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Hed been shot five times. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. Snow. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. show takes four couples who are having trouble. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Really? We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. If. She was coming here to take care of me. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Right? It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. This year is different. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. Not always.. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. However, the intended audience of the film. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. David Bagby. I kind of. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. And he'd be like(turns. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Snow. 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